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Rumble Roses: A Rope of Sand
Chris Gesualdi - 06-07-04
Disclaimer: The opinions expressed within this column are those of its moderator and contributors.
Here, incendiary remarks freely intertwine with liberal obscenity to weave tapestries of offensive material the Gameforms
Project can not be held responsible for. Seriously, G4 sucks Consider yourself duly
warned.
I just got digital cable at my house, which comes with the horror that is the “G4-Tech TV” merger. I can’t watch any of the shows on that channel without wanting to slit my wrists. They still have E3 coverage being replayed constantly, but it’s all completely random crap, like one of their asshat hosts playing a Nascar racing game against a gold medalist snowboarder. I mean, what the hell? Their coverage is all over the place and most often feels completely ignorant of their target audience. Like yeah, we know we’re nerds, you don’t have to try and make us feel like even bigger nerds with your ridiculous programming. The only show I can barely sit through is X-Play, just because the writing is great. Those two hosts are insufferable though, especially that goddamn Morgan Webb.
They should get me on that channel. I’d want a show called “Chris Gesualdi’s Target Practice” where I review a shitty terrible game, then take it out back and shoot it with a shotgun.
That’d be awesome.
In other news I finally have a Sega Master System and I love it… even though it’s covered with playboy bunny decals and a sticker that says “Puerto Rican Drag Racing #1.” Oh, and I found some bullets in the cartridge slot. I think this Master System may have come from the shadier part of town…
But that’s fine, because now it’s mine. I have officially named it Fred. I name all of my Sega consoles for no apparent reason. I’m just cool like that. Now all I need is a copy of “Phantasy Star” and my life is complete.
Anyhow, today’s topic is “Rumble Roses: A Rope of Sand.” For the record, no the subtitle does not pertain to anything. It just sounds intellectual. For the record “Rumble Roses” is the new wrestling game/boob simulator from Konami. I’m excited, but are you? Let’s find out.
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Getting e-mail from Tim Rogers is like getting candy from God
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Okay,
How dare you mention Rumble Roses in your intro without linking my E3 Report on insertcredit.com, because I know that's where you read about it in the first place HELL.
Anyway, I have this to say: weeks after E3, the more I think about it, the more I realize Rumble Roses is a good thing. Any of the dumbassed kids who play it because of the boobies will find that it is also fun, and well-put-together. It plays well. And I don't mean that as a euphemism.
Here's a euphemism, though, if you like that sort of thing. This one was spoken by myself, to Eric-Jon Rossel Waugh, who also is a member of the exclusive club that is my website, which is cooler than yours:
"Rumble Roses, as a game, and as a mature game, not only raises the bar -- it raises the bar."
. . .
Here I’d reiterate what I said in the above-linked story, if I had the time. You, Chris, do it for me in your reply. No questions asked. The topics are:
1. Hideo Kojima on topless mode
2. Greg Fischbach on craziest game ever
3. Tomonobu Itagaki on American women
4. THE FUTURE
For extra credit, you can treat the game-designers as though you were the one who interviewed them. Be careful, however, to mention a beverage and/or muffin type (preferably beverage AND muffin) for each interview.
In closing, I would like to say that I am in Japan right now, as I have been for a long, long time, and if the girls here had breasts like the girls in Rumble Roses, I'd never have to go to Los Angeles.
Okay, I guess they could use some El Pollo Loco, as well.
--tim rogers reads every column you write so don't fail
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Oh no! It’s teh Rogers!
For the record Tim, I had originally heard of Rumble Roses from The Magic Box… but I will admit it was your E3 article that got me fully pumped for it. I mean, when I first glanced at the game description the concept didn’t fully register in my mind. Like, I saw it was an all female wrestling game and was starting to read more about it but I quickly got distracted looking at MGS3 screens or whatever. But then I read your E3 write-up and I was like… “wait?! that’s what it was about!?”
So yes, I will give credit where credit is due. Thank you Tim Rogers for throwing a metaphorical rock labeled “OMFG Rumble Roses” at my face. It’s given me something to get excited about other than waiting to die.
Now then, as Tim mentioned in his article, Hideo Kojima was talking to Tim about Rumble Roses and mentioned “The girls might be mad topless yo’.” And Tim was all like “No foolins!? Oh snap that’s off the hizzook!” And Hideo Kojima was all like “I know d00d! It’s gonna totally wr0ckz0r!” Then Shaquille O’ Neal walked in and was all like “Sup bitches!” and Tim and Kojima totally flipped out. High-fives were exchanged all around and everybody played “Shaq-Fu” until the sun came up.
In short, Kojima says there is a strong possibility of a topless mode. All I can say is “Why the hell not?” If you’re going to have this sexplosion of epic proportions a little nipple isn’t going to hurt anyone.
But this game is definitely blowing some minds. Even Greg Fischbach, president of Acclaim, was watching in shock and awe (“shock and awe” is a registered trademark of Sony Corporation all rights reserved). Remember, this is the president of fscking Acclaim, the same company that brought you hookers on bicycles and tasteless game advertisements on cemetery headstones. Tim says he took notes. I can’t say I’m surprised.
Also, Tim got personal with Tomonobu Itagaki at the show, and learned he is not fond of American women. He says “They don't understand men. They don't understand men one bit." I don’t know if Mr. Tomonobu had a bad experience with a hooker or what, but maybe he should lighten up. American women are great once you give them lots and lots of money and pretend you care about their feelings.
I’m going to hell.
For more on this, as well as THE FUTURE, check out Tim Rogers’ brilliant E3
report. Because Tim Rogers is keeping his finger on the pulse of the gaming industry.
And frankly, he’s doing a damn good job of it.
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In Your Face Titillation
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Howdy Chris,
Rumble Roses is just the latest game that promises 'IN YOUR FACE TITILLATION!!!!'. I lived through the hype for crap like DOA:XVB and BMX:XXX. I don't think the sex factor in those games set the 'game as artform' idea back at all since they pretty much disappeared from the stream
of consciousness and public debate a month or two after their release to all but those who bought the games.
One thing I like about Rumble Roses so far though, is that it is blatant. Even DOA:XVB had this sleazy 'nudge nudge wink wink' quality about it like it wasn't REALLY about watching rendered girls jiggle but in fact a volleyball game with that just happens to feature the some of the most
recognizable videogame sex objects this side of Lara Croft *nudge nudge* even more scantily clad than they were their in their 'extra costumes' from the previous games*wink wink* playing beach volleyball, a game that requires alot of 'jumping', a-heh-heh-heh. I don't think it's possible to be 'sly' like that with a mud wrestling game .
Anyway, Rumble Roses might be alright since they're talking about a system that allows your opponent to kick your ass with their special moves the more you beat them up. Also the fact that Konami doesn't REALLY have 'ready to exploit ' female characters like Tecmo, Squaresoft, Namco or Capcom means that they might actually have to have something of a personality behind these girls. This entails that they might actually be putting some effort into this game and since its Konami, if they put effort into it, it might make for an alright game that's playable and perhaps even innovative.
And if Rumble Roses is the least bit successful, I can almost guarantee you that there'll be at least one of or all of the following: DOA:Xtreme Mud Wrestling, Final Fantasy:Foxy Boxing, Hotoilcalibur and Capcom versus Victoria's Secret. So in that vein, I'm a little ambivalent about the game. I mean ,who wouldn't want to see Yuna put Rinoa in a sleeper hold? I think that transcends any sexism issues people might have.
In the end, I just hope it get's a better name. I mean, not only is it a game about glorified catfights, it's also called 'Rumble Roses'. That might sound cool in Japanese, in English it sounds dumb and if the game generates any media hype (and it might, since it's slated to come out in November of this election year, the year of Janet Jackson's nipple) I don't know how many newspeople saying 'Rumble Roses' in that mock serious news voice I can take without going insane.
~Matthew K.
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That’s the thing, previous games that promised full-on titillation just didn’t live up to expectations. DOA: XBV was surprisingly lackluster and BMX:XXX… well BMX:XXX was from Acclaim, let’s just leave it at that.
But what you say is true, Konami does not mind being explicitly blatant with what their game really is, a bunch of scantily clad chicks getting themselves into various suggestive wrestling positions. Personally, I love how Konami is being so up-front with Rumble Roses. Tecmo skirts around the issue so much, as if they’re trying to convince themselves that their shallow fighting series sells on anything other than sex appeal. That’s why Tecmo will never put nudity in a DOA game, because that’d just be admitting that the DOA games are nothing but sub-par fighting games that appeal to perverted gamers. For the love of god the DOA Xbox bundle in Japan comes with a body pillow. DO YOU PEOPLE KNOW WHAT A BODY PILLOW IS!? DO YOU?!
The fighting system sounds innovative though, especially the “humiliation gauge” whereas the more you make the other wrestler look stupid the more pissed-off she gets. As long as the gameplay is solid and the girls have some shred of personality, this game should be more than a simple boob fest. Personally though, I want to see some mini games.
And for the record, I would buy “Final Fantasy: Foxy Boxing.”
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Yukes?
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Rumble Roses ..hmm?
A wrestling game with nothing but glorified women is still just another wrestling game.
It won't sell any better than previous wrestling games, and it won't be anything special.
So what's the big deal?
Oh no, not half naked women!! That's old news. This game doesn't sound great unless you're into wrestling games to begin with.Games that show an extreme bias towards either sex never do that well anyways. They're never blockbusters or 'game of the year.'
Tomb Raider was a great game, and appealed to both sexes: strong, attitude-driven chick for the girls, hot babe for the guys.There was a story, puzzle solving and thought processing involved.
Wrestling games are a waste of time in general, sports and fighting based games take more thought than any wrestling games.I don't see Rumble Roses expanding the
wrestling genre's audience anytime soon.
It's going to be a bargain bin game in no time.
-K.T.
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Yeah, I will admit that I lost a bit of interest when I found out the game was being developed by Yukes, the same Japanese company responsible for all the trash wrestling games I don’t play. Games like “Smack Down! Here Comes the Pain” (Here it comes! Look out!) But I also think this game might have a lot more going for it than other wrestling titles. First of all, since the game isn’t based on an actual wrestling property the designers won’t need to accurately model a mess of WWE wrestlers and all their signature moves. I mean, for a WWE game you have to include about forty odd characters or somebody’s going to get pissed that their favorite isn’t included. Plus there’s all the work that goes into making the characters move and act like their real life counterparts. But Rumble Roses can easily be limited to around 10 or 15 characters and still appeal to everyone’s tastes. And Yukes can spend more time tweaking the gameplay rather than making sure The Rock’s eyebrow does that little “what you talkin’ about?” thingy correctly. So far the graphics definitely look a lot better than other wrestling games out there, and it has the backing of Konami, the greatest video game company ever. Hell, even Hideo Kojima thinks it’s ten different shades of cool.
Right Tim?
But you’re right, this isn’t going to be game of the year, hell, it probably won’t even win wrestling game of the year. But it easily fits into any healthy young male’s video game collection, and as long as the game is fun I’m sure it will be a great party game. Four player mud wrestling extravaganzas? Yes please.
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Hideo Kojima will rock you like a proverbial hurricane
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First, speaking as a huge fan of Konami, they can do no wrong. (oh, wait, yeah, they can, but still.)
Speaking further, as a girl, I don't see anything wrong with the game. It certainly looks more fun than Dead or Alive's stupid volleyball game anyway. That game was boring, and I don't care how much ass they threw in, it was still really, really, really boring, and if you didn't think it was really boring, you need to look at some real porn, or play a real game.
Hell, as long as a game is entertaining, all the half-naked girls in the world couldn't keep me from playing it.
...so I guess I'm saying if you're going to make a game with mud-wrestling, at least make it a good game, or you ARE going to offend lots of female gamers, or women in general
And if it gets good sales, hey, maybe Konami can make this a little faster.
Kefanii, who probably offended people in some way even while trying to avoid it because everyone has offensitivty, just ask Opus.
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Hey, aside from some trash games like “Ephemeral Phantasia” and “Cy Girls,” Konami is probably the best game company out there. Yes you damned fanboys, better than Squaresoft. They constantly release solid titles and keep on pushing new innovative games out the door. And Hideo Kojima is their vice president, and we all know that Hideo Kojima will rock you like a proverbial hurricane.
Anyhow, the problem with DOA: XBV was that the gameplay itself was terrible, so Tecmo came away looking like they were a bunch of asshats selling a game based on nothing but sex appeal. If your polygonal boobs aren’t backed up by a decent game then you just look stupid - I mean, look at BMX:XXX. But as long as Konami can make sure this game has some half-way decent gameplay then it more than justifies the inclusion of boobies. In short, if your game is going to feature scantly clad women, it better not suck.
And god Silent Hill 4 looks amazing. I just wonder if it’ll stand up to the just-as-awesome-looking Resident Evil 4. Only time will tell…
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Rumble Richards
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blah blah blah. Something about sexy guys. Konami is sexist.
~Shrubey, who couldn't think of anything better to say.
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Look Shrubey, I’m sorry Konami isn’t making “Rumble Richards” or whatever but you’re going to have to look somewhere else for sexy guys. Go play a football game or something.
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Nocturnal Emissions
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It’s plainly obvious Konami is cashing in on the uncontrollable sex drive of men, but is this a bad thing? Is this senseless demoralization of women, or is it all just a game? Are you excited for Rumble Roses or will you be picketing your favorite game store?
Yes, it is blatantly obvious sexploitation. But this, after all is PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING. How much can we really expect from this branch of mainstream entertainment? Certainly it would be less of a load on our parent's and legislator's minds if such games as BMX XXX, Singles: Flirt Up Your Life, and Do You Like Horny Bunnies kept a lower profile (or ceased to exist).
However, we need only watch some television to see equivalent levels of moral degradation, and of both sexes in many cases. MTV's Dismissed, Room Raiders, One Bad Trip, and many other reality programs, such as The Bachelor(ette), Temptation Island, etc. are all examples. The only reason people are giving games the riot act in particular is because such works as Rumble Roses stick out like tall buildings in the desert compared to the vast majority of available titles. Mostly what gamers get in terms of gender relations is poorly written anime romance (for RPGs), and the occasional sexy elf or spunky marine. We get far more in terms of disturbing graphic violence, as opposed to sexual stereotyping and female degradataion. Games like Dead or Alive (and it's famous boob-jubbling) and Rumble Rose are hardly at fault for giving us what we want. Perhaps we should consider the blinding dominance of male thinking in the core creative processes of most games (writing, gameplay conception, character design).
What goes on on WoW (Women of Wrestling) or on WWE Smack Down (or RAW, whatever your pleasure) is hardly any different than what the folks advertising Rumble Roses are promising, the topless mode goes a bit farther, but it's really just a nipple of difference. It's encouraging that the best selling games are usually universal in terms of appeal, like The Sims, Final Fantasy (usually), and MYST, but as long as the young adult male buys his games, we'll see testosterone fueling the drive of the industry towards that big golden phallus in the sky.
UnangBangkay
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You know, as I mentioned my household began receiving digital cable recently. This comes along with a slew of new channels for me to rot my mind with, including one called The N” which seems to be Nickelodeon for teenagers. Though most of the shows on “The N” are complete youth-ruining trash, I have to show love for a channel that plays re-runs of “The Adventures of Pete and Pete,” the greatest television show in the history of forever.
I’m dead serious, Pete and Pete rules.
Anyways, on this channel is a show called “Degrassi: The New Generation,” the latest installment in the long running series of Degrassi teen dramas. My thirteen year old sister watches this show religiously so I decided to check it out. In the episode I watched, apparently one of the kids had a crush on some girl named Liberty, and you see a small dream sequence followed by him waking up panting and looking under the covers in disgust.
Yes ladies and gentlemen, some teenage kid just had a nocturnal emission, on television.
If a kid can have spill his seed all over himself on a show aimed at kids, I see no reason why the video game industry can’t have some girls wrestle around. But the reason that this sort of thing sticks out in the video game world is because of what you said, the game industry is fairly devoid of cheap sex appeal. I mean, the game world has it’s share of sexy female characters, but rarely are they portrayed in an overly sexual manner. Maybe this game does cheapen the artistic side of the game industry, but it’s still no worse than anything on MTV. Sex will always be a part of our culture, but as long as Konami can keep this game’s handling of the topic relatively mature I don’t see any problem with it.
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Trance Vibrators!
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Hey, why not?
One thing about Rumble Roses that disturbs me is that it turns women into objects. Yeah, you heard me right. I don't think I'd feel too good about myself if I played a game like this. But it'd give the force feedback in the PS2 controller a whole new use!
But seriously, I'd rather watch two women go at it instead of some big, hairy, sweaty man grappling their opponent's head in their underarm. That's the moment I'd call uncle, because if I'm going to be flattened by any hulk of mass such as a pro wrestler, I request he use anti-persperant.
Chris Pioli, who would like to see some games that appeal to women (and not just lesbians, either). That way he can get it on with cute girl gamers. Or something...
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It is kind of obvious that Rumble Roses borders on sexist, but like DOA:XBV I’m sure the girls will have some sort of vague ghost of a background which will serve to make them seem more like characters rather than sex objects. Will it be tacked on? Most likely. But at least it’ll be there. Seriously though, the wrestling world would be interesting to me if these various surprise challenges and heated rivalries weren’t scripted. The Rock doesn’t really hate The Undertaker or whatever, so I just can’t get excited when they yell at each other on TV. Hopefully this game will have some sort of a story mode that actually intrigues me, because traditional wrestling is just too fake to make me feel anything for the characters. Hell, some sort of fancy text adventure would be awesome, choosing what to say to your opponent before the fight, or trying to get on a character’s good side and form an alliance. Yukes and Konami could make this game awesome if they wanted to.
And they should totally incorporate the Rez trance vibrator into this game somehow. It just feels right.
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The Goggles
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Rumble Roses-
Who cares? It's like complaining about the presence of cheerleaders at foot/basketball games.
They're designed to cater to a specific group-men who want to see scantily clad women-and those men will always be there, and they will always be catered to for as long as there is money to be spent on this.
You don't like it, don't buy the game. Duh. The game loses money, designers work on something that will make money.
But that image of Cloud in cosplay drag was one of the most f**ked up things I've EVER seen. The goggles, they do nothing!
I'm not sure if I admire or despite you for linking that image...
DIM
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That’s the thing, all the people who complain about these games refuse to acknowledge that virtually everyone is intrigued by sex, and we shouldn’t fault a company for giving people what they’re going to seek out anyway. If you don’t like it just ignore it. There’re bigger problems in the world than a wrestling game.
And the worst part about that crossdressing Cloud cosplayer is that he seems to have no trouble picking up girls… or guys… oh god my eyes…they won’t stop burning!
Wait, I should’ve said that he has no trouble getting picked up by guys. See, because that guy dressed as Laguna is… oh screw it, I’m no good at puns.
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In conclusion, Rumble Roses is most likely going to be off the hook. As long as Konami can give the game some depth beyond the pretty girls fighting theme then it should be a great game. Yes, it’s meant to be sexual, but that’s fine. It just proves games are moving in more mature directions. As long as a game is fun and the characters are treated as more than objects, then there’s no reason this kind of game can’t exist.
Let’s just hope Greg Fischbach from Acclaim doesn’t try to make his own female wrestling game. Acclaim has ruined the game industry enough already.
Tomorrow's topic is Cel-Shading. More and more games are doing it, but is it rad or just a fad? What games do cel-shading well and which ones just abuse the style? E-mail me at letters@gameforms.com and talk about the cartoon style gaming that everyone loves... or hates. Whatever.
This was Chris Gesualdi, who loves his new Master System like the child he smuggled out of Japan to raise as his own. I mean... what?
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